Inequality Causing Social Fabric to Unravel, Rebellion in Military Possible – Wilkerson and Jay

Paul Jay
Hi, I’m Paul Jay. Welcome to theAnalysis.news. Joining me today is Col. Larry Wilkerson, who needs no introduction, so I’m not going to do any. Thanks for joining me, Larry.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Good to be with you, Paul. It’s been a while.

Paul Jay
It’s been a while. But given what’s coming in a few days, I thought we were overdue to have a conversation about these elections and what might be coming.

Let me start with this. In 2021, in the Washington Post, three brigadier generals said in an opinion piece that the military, and I guess Americans, should be wary of a possible military coup. They talked about the events that led up to January 6, and they described a situation where Trump, or they in the article, they say, or a Trumpian character, because back in ’21, they weren’t sure whether it would be Trump or someone like Trump versus Biden, because back then they didn’t know it was going to be Harris, but that the election would be essentially won by now Harris, but that the Trump forces would declare they won.

Trump would actually declare himself President and create a shadow government that some state governors would support, and some of the military would support this shadow government, illegal president. We would essentially have two centers of power. This is three retired brigadier generals warning this could happen.

We’re only days away from the election. Maybe Trump wins, which I suppose takes this scenario out. If he loses by a hair, do you think this scenario is plausible?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
It is plausible. After all, in our history, we’ve had two such rather dramatic occasions already. We had one that most Americans wouldn’t even be able to describe, let alone even name the parties to, maybe other than its leader, Aaron Burr, which we had to put down. An alternative government was going to be formed. An alternative army and militia were going to be formed. An alternative country, supposedly west of the Mississippi, was going to be created. It was put down. It was stopped.

A more serious one, which led to all of those things, occurred in 1859 and ’60. We had an alternative government declared, several states went with that government, and we had a bloody war that followed. Could it happen again? Absolutely.

Paul Jay
There’s the Bankers’ Coup, 1932/1934, with Smedley Butler. Some of the major figures on Wall Street approached Smedley Butler, who was the most popular soldier in the country, and proposed he lead the veterans who were having a big protest outside the White House to have a coup against FDR. It fell apart. The Congressional Committee investigated Butler’s allegations because he went right to Congress to report it. Even coup organizers went to Butler wanting him to head it. Instead, he reported it to a Congressional Committee. The Congressional Committee concluded this was a real thing. They had tried to organize a coup. So, yeah, this wouldn’t be the first time.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
You also had, during the same president’s reign, you had the Chief of Staff of the army personally lead machine guns, artillery, and other implements of war over to the Anacostia Flats and threatened to fire on the bonus marchers, the World War I vets who wanted their money.

Paul Jay
The events that led up to January 6, and I’ve done this several times in video and video reports. If people want to watch it, there’s one up there now on the website called Trump’s Unholy Alliance, where I trace some of this. Ten former Secretaries of Defense essentially warned the military to stay out of the elections. This is January 4, two days before the riot on the Hill. The Financial Times, on January 4, says, “As extraordinary as it seems, a coup is in progress in the United States.”

It was pretty well known that they were attempting a military coup. Now, it falls apart. It doesn’t happen on [January] 6, but nobody wants to talk about what led up to [January] 6. They all focus on the riot and Trump’s role. The Congressional Committee and others, the press, the media, and people who follow this know the story. Almost nobody talks about the lead-up to what was going on in the armed forces, which we know from various people, including people like Mikey Weinstein and others. Christian nationalism in the military has a lot to do with it, led by [Michael] Flynn, who’s one of the leaders of Christian nationalism. How come they’re not talking about it? They meaning the Democrats and the press.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
I think there are a number of reasons for that. One is credibility, and they have an ease of dismissing it for lack of credibility. That’s a cover up, too. Two, they don’t want to face it. They don’t want to confront it because they don’t know what to do about it. They just cross their fingers, go to bed at night, get up in the morning, look in the mirror, and pray that it doesn’t happen, and pray that America’s institutions hold and that everything is okay rather than a disaster. There are probably other reasons, too.

I found one of the most favorite techniques of reacting to a crisis in America is to put your head in the sand. That’s better than what we’re doing in Ukraine and Gaza, for example, which is full-blown support of absolute atrocities. But it does save your conscience to a certain extent. You put your head in the ground, you ignore the realities, and again, you hope they go away. We have a very bad habit of doing that at some of the most ethereal levels of responsibility and power in this country. We have a bad habit of doing that.

[Colin] Powell used to talk about it all the time. People would rather look out the window and see the marketplace and go buy something, as it were, than they would face a crisis or, even worse, try to avert a crisis because you are always operating on the principle that if you do avert it, no one will believe you that it was coming. You may suffer from that, from the decisions you made to try and avert it.

Paul Jay
There was a report in the press a few months ago that there were four working groups working for the Congressional Committee investigating the events of January 6. Only one working group’s report was published, the one that focused on Trump and his role. The people who ran the other three working groups leaked to the press, furious that their work wasn’t made public. I’m assuming one of those working groups must have been what was going on in the military. One of the reasons they don’t want this to come out is they don’t want people to know how dangerous the situation is in the military, the strengths of Christian nationalism there, and they don’t want the U.S. to look like a “banana republic,” that it would be bad for business for America to look in such disarray.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
I would suggest to you strongly that the military joined in that suppression effort if it was one. They didn’t want to look bad either.

Paul Jay
Yeah, it makes them look in jeopardy, which it seems like they may well be. If these three retired generals are right, then it’s a lot more precarious in the military.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
No general, certainly no Chairman of the Joint Chiefs or Chief of Service, wants to admit that on his watch, that sort of thing could happen.

Paul Jay
The Democrats, their economic policies helped create the conditions for Trump. The amount of inequality they developed. Yeah, they can boast about a great economy, but with inflation down and prices still high, they’re not explaining why that’s taking place. They can add the odd reference to price gouging, and now they’re not even talking about that.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
For a long time, Paul, you know this. We’ve been governmentally reporting through agencies and bureaus responsible for data and statistics and through the White House itself that the economy is good based on the top 0.01%. That’s who the economy is good for. We don’t care about the rest of America. We say we do, but we really don’t. We’ve destroyed the lower 50%, and now we’re working on the upper 50% minus about 2%. It’s that 2% that we are making richer and richer and richer and richer at the expense of the other almost 90 plus percent. That’s the way neoliberal economics works, Paul. I mean, you know that.

Paul Jay
The other thing that isn’t getting talked about at all is why 75-80 million people are likely to vote for Trump. The guy, at least in his rhetoric, sounds and talks deranged. He sounds like a lunatic.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Puerto Rico is a garbage dump in a town that has 90,000 plus Puerto Ricans. How smart is that?

Paul Jay
Trump had to be listening to that. He’s sitting backstage, and you got to, maybe not, it’s possible, but you think he must have been listening to it, or somebody must have said it to him. Do you know what that guy just said?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Yeah, laughing his ass off.

Paul Jay
Well, probably. For people who don’t know what we’re talking about, although most people probably do, this supposed comic comes up to begin the rally in Madison Square Gardens. One of his jokes is there’s a pile of garbage in the middle of the ocean, and it’s called Puerto Rico. You’re right. He says that in New York, where there are more Puerto Ricans than anywhere outside Puerto Rico. Then they’re worried about Pennsylvania, which is the next place with the most Puerto Ricans. The point is, Trump gets up and doesn’t disassociate himself from that joke at all. They know Madison Square Gardens is the place in 1939 where the American Nazis held a rally with a big picture of George Washington on the wall saying “sieg heil,” and they know they’re evoking that memory. They’re deliberately crossing a line.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
I was in New York at the time, and back up just a little bit. I was in one of the most established restaurants in New York City. Been there so long that it had a picture on the wall of their 1897 menu. This guy who was the owner, and his dad, and his dad before him had this establishment in Tudor City, New York. They had one metaphor for Trump and what was happening down at Madison Square Gardens. It was that it was Trump’s last visit to the city to extend the middle finger to New York. That’s what it was. That’s the way they all looked at it. There wasn’t a disagreeing nod in the entire restaurant. There were 200 people plus in that restaurant.

Paul Jay
My question was that 75-80 million people are going to vote for this lunacy; what does that tell you about the state of American society?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Nothing that we don’t know about it. It’s deteriorating rapidly. It’s falling apart. The whole society is collapsing. Part of it is these external wars that no one understands. How can you justify billions and billions of dollars going to the Levant, to the Middle East to support a genocidal maniac named Netanyahu to kill not 40,000, as they say, but close to 200,000 now, men, women, and children? How can you do that? You’ve got people in North Carolina, Eastern Tennessee, South Carolina, and Georgia who don’t have a house, who don’t have a prospect for the next day. You’re sending all that money over there, and you’re sending, in comparison, a pittance down to help these people in those regions.

This is really confusing to most Americans, particularly those who watched their house float away on a swollen river about a week or two ago. It’s incredibly destabilizing for the country. It’s almost as destabilizing, in fact, in some respects, I think more destabilizing than slavery was, which, as I said, going back to 1859, 1860, is when we really fell apart and started fighting with one another.

Paul Jay
The firebombing of Germany, the fire bombing of Japan, the nuclear bombing of Japan, as atrocious as all that was, and it was, and my opinion, war crimes, at least you can understand the American public opinion that supported all of that. At least there was a war going on. Pearl Harbor had been bombed. You can understand why people accepted it. Palestinians are not threatening the United States.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
No.

Paul Jay
This is not a war against Americans, that somehow these atrocities… but still, the American media, which for some time actually was outraged, in a way, I haven’t seen them for a while. Even CNN was doing some legitimate reporting on how devastated Gaza was, and now it’s all normalized. It’s barely talked about it anymore. 

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
The Israelis and their propaganda campaign, AIPAC and others, have been very successful in pitching the story that they want the American people to believe, and the American people are, in most respects, gullible enough to believe it.

Look at the attack that just happened. Israel was thoroughly thwarted in a 100-plane strike with at least a minimum of two standoff missiles on each plane. Maybe a dozen, maybe a dozen and a half hit. Maybe they killed a few people. I’m hearing it’s under a dozen. They didn’t do a whole lot of material damage. I just watched a London TV special showing all the damage, and I laughed with the guy doing his little show on TV showing the damage. He didn’t even show any damage, but he said it was damaged. Then he switched to the next one. I like CNN with the big political things up there. Oh, look at that. They hit that. Oh, look at that. They hit that.

I’ve got reports from on the ground in Tehran. Citizens were out in the streets with their cell phones, filming the missiles coming in and being struck by the Russian-directed anti-aircraft missiles that brought them down in hordes. Most things that hit were destroyed by Israeli missiles. Why is Iran not now just fuming mad and going to strike right back? Well, they may because they want to finish Israel off, and they could well do that. It’s tempered right now, and it’s tempered principally because not only did Israel wisely enough, I think under great pressure from us, select only military targets to hit. They missed most of them. The whole region knows this—the whole region. The whole region knows Jordan refused them over-flight privileges. Jordan said they’d come up and shoot them down if they flew over Jordan. The whole region knows that Saudi Arabia was playing with the idea of telling everyone to do that and came very close to getting everyone to do that.

The tides are turning against Israel. The whole region knows how many casualties they’re taking in Lebanon. The whole region knows that Hezbollah is sincere in warning 70,000 Jewish citizens, warning them, personally warning them, if you go back to your places, we will kill you. They’re not going back to their homes. They’re going to go to Tel Aviv and get on an airplane, and they’re going to evacuate Israel. A million, a million, Paul, have already left Israel, probably permanently. More are going to leave. This is really bad for the state of Israel, and Netanyahu is still clinging to his principles, such as they are, still clinging to his strategy.

I listened to the woman who just stepped down at State Department, the first high-ranking Foreign Service officer to step down. She was on Democracy Now today. A powerful voice, very powerful voice. She as much as called her boss, Tony Blinken, a liar. She’s briefed him multiple times on what’s happening, and he keeps telling her, “Go away. Don’t bother me.” Right before she retired, he essentially censored her. She stepped down. A very articulate woman, and she knows what she’s talking about.

She knows how many times we violated the law, what laws we violated, how many times he lied to Congress, telling them we hadn’t violated the law. Of course, the subservient Congress wants him to lie, many of them anyway, not all of them. The thing is, being Israel’s lawyer, as Blinken has been Netanyahu’s lawyer, is not working. It’s not working. He can say all he wants to say about how there’s going to be a ceasefire and there’s going to be peace. To stand on television and say as he did, they’ve met all their objectives, they’ve defeated Hamas, they’ve quelled Hezbollah, they’ve taken care of Iran now, so we can probably have peace now. In other words, now everyone listen to me, and let’s have a ceasefire and a peace agreement because then Israel can move in and settle in Gaza because that’s what they want to do, of course. But they can’t do that. [Itamar] Ben-Gvir has been kicked out of Northern Gaza. His settlers have been kicked out of Northern Gaza. Who have they been kicked out by? A few of Hamas, but mostly by the IDF, telling them to get out of the way because they’re still fighting Hamas in Northern Gaza. It’s a disaster, Paul.

Paul Jay
As I was saying, CNN, MSNBC, and some of the mainstream news, I thought for a while was really covering Gaza in a better way than I expected about the savagery of the Israeli attack against the Palestinian people. You often heard how there should be a distinction between the Palestinian civilians and Hamas fighters, but there wasn’t. They were killing civilians. As the election heated up, as we got closer to the vote, they stopped doing this.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
That’s part of the reason.

Paul Jay
Yeah, because they’d wind up having to critique Biden. They didn’t want to, so they started shutting up about it.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Part of the reason, too, and I’ve had a couple of guys I admire and respect tell me this, one U.S. reporter and one Brit reporter, their lives are in jeopardy. They’re being shot at, too. If they say anything adverse, the shots are more accurate.

Paul Jay
This meaning IDF shooting journalists?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Yes.

Paul Jay
Yeah, there’s pretty good evidence they’ve been deliberately assassinating journalists.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Yes.

Paul Jay
The vote’s on the fourth– I produced this video, which was mostly critiquing Peter Thiel and the people around Trump. I made it pretty clear that in the final analysis, the problem is the billionaires and the inequality that has been under both parties. The hollowing out of the economy and the stagnation of workers’ wages, especially in the suburbs and rural America, happened under both parties.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Yes.

Paul Jay
But, certainly the video, the preponderance of the video, was a critique of the far-right religious; I didn’t use the word fascist, but now everybody’s using it. It is more or less what they are, the Opus Dei on the Catholic side.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
I actually saw a sign in New York that said Jesus was a fascist. You can’t beat that.

Paul Jay
No, you can’t. There’s a quote from Hitler that I think is so appropriate. Apparently, Hitler said, “I use emotion to talk to the masses, and I reserve reason for the few.” I think evangelical Christianity is for the masses, and this far-right Catholic cabal, which includes J.D. Vance, most of the Supreme Court, and many of the leading members of Congress and Senate, including not only the Republican Party, although mostly, there is a real fascist cabal that works together with evangelical Christian nationalists. Some people have critiqued the video, why are you only focusing on the Trumpists? You’re not critiquing the Democrats enough. My answer has been, listen, I’ve been critiquing the Democrats every time I open my mouth since I’ve been doing anything on camera.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
That doesn’t work because no one has any memory.

Paul Jay
But yeah, I do think that in order to organize against the billionaires and against these imperialist policies, you do need to defeat Trump to have the room to keep organizing. I’ve been saying, without creating illusions about who the Democrats are and what the system is, yeah, the Trumpists do need to get defeated. I don’t know. What is your take on that?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
No, that’s a fine argument, in my view, a very sophisticated argument, and I think the right argument. Unfortunately, most Americans aren’t that way. So I don’t blame the people who are going whole hog for Kamala and for the Democrats because that’s the nature of the American political system. You have to do that to persuade enough voters to vote for you.

What I want to see, the proof for me, is going to be if they change their policies afterward, even slightly. Political space is opening now. You can see it. The polls are showing it. There’s opposition to the war in Ukraine, and there’s significant opposition to the war in Gaza. If she does get elected and is given that political space to change policies, I’m all for her. If she isn’t, like you said, she’s not Trump. I’ll be glad to go out on the street and campaign against her for four years. I don’t think I’ll go out on the street with Trump. I think I’ll be in a prison cell.

Here’s something I heard in New York, too, from some old-timers. I hadn’t given this a lot of thought. I should have, probably. Your emphasis on this gentleman should have made me do this. They’re counting on Trump dying in office. Their hero is J.D. Vance. That’s who they want in there. That’s who Peter Thiel and others like him want in there to be the President or the dictator for life.

Paul Jay
I think this is so important. Mark Cuban put it pretty well. I have a clip in the video. They want essentially to turn the United States into a corporation. Everybody can buy shares. Of course, the billionaires will buy more shares than anybody else. They’ll appoint a CEO called the president. Unless the president gets impeached, essentially, the board, which is made up of the billionaires, there aren’t any more elections. This is exactly what Trump actually said. There’s a quote in the video where he says, “Dear Christians, I’m a Christian. I love you, my Christians. Vote for me this time, and you won’t have to do it anymore.” They appear not to be joking about this.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
I think we had a similar effort, less sophisticated and based on other issues, principally on cornering the gold market with [Ulysses S.] Grant in his second term. Grant and his Secretary of the Treasury all by themselves, this has only been discovered by historians in a wide way, a wider way in the last 20 years, really saved the country because there was a circuit of billionaires at that time, and that was really something then, who were moving to and had achieved almost the percentage necessary to corner the gold market, as it were, and then demand whatever it was that they wanted, which was a dictatorship. Grant stopped it. He and his Secretary of the Treasury were on tenterhooks for about 24 straight hours because they didn’t know if the move they, as the federal government had made, would really be sufficient to defeat this. It was. There was great relief in the White House, as you might imagine, but they never shared it. They were the only two who knew about it.

Paul Jay
There isn’t one argument, but if you exclude people who are very religious and see Trump as a vehicle for God’s work, whether it’s evangelical or right Catholic, they sincerely believe that this is God’s work, if you exclude those people, there’s a lot of the pro-Trump vote, which in fact, many even voted for Obama in the past and are now voting Trump. What is the argument that is getting through to them, given that many of them actually voted for Obama? It’s not a clear-cut racist vote. It’s not a clear-cut religious vote. Yet, something in the Trumpian gestalt or whatever that is appealing to them?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
I think it’s a combination of things, but I think the major thing I’ve sensed in New York, for example, I sensed in Houston, other places where I’ve been recently, and that is just dissatisfaction with the whole direction of the country. They look at the Democrats as being responsible for that direction. Whether that’s right or wrong as a materialist, that’s who they look at as being responsible for it, most of them anyway, those that are going to vote for Trump or possibly will vote for Trump. They think any change is better than no change. They’re going to cast their ballot for the other party. They don’t pay any attention to the things like you’re talking about, the things like I talk about. It’s water off the ducks back to them. All they know is change, a different political party.

Paul Jay
Back in 2016, we interviewed a guy in a diner outside of Baltimore. We said to him, “Many people think he’s half a lunatic. He lies all the time.” The guy cuts in, and he says, “I know he’s a liar. I know he’s a maniac. I know he’s only out for himself. What does that tell you about what I think about the other guys?”

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
That’s a great comment.

Paul Jay
Just to wrap up. In Michigan, which is one of the key swing states, is Dearborn, and one of the largest or the largest Arab population, pro-Palestinian population in the United States, many of whom are so furious at Harris for not taking a stand that somehow distinguishes herself from Biden’s completely one-sided support for Israeli atrocities, and who are planning either not to vote or vote a third party, and are just so angry at how Harris has handled this that they just will not vote against Trump, meaning for Harris. What do you say to them?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
I think that’s a real weakness for the Democrats right now. I think that, plus a lot of people like me, are not going to vote. They’re not even going to go to the polls and vote. That’s something for me to do because I’ve been voting for 60-plus years. I’m pretty sure right now I’m not going to the polls. I haven’t been so far, and I usually vote early. They’re just not going to vote. There’s another–

Paul Jay
Hang on. Why wouldn’t you? If you agree that Trump is such a danger in spite of all the critique of Harris, which I certainly agree with?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Well, part of it has to do with where I’m located and how my vote will be counted, and this will go overwhelmingly.

Paul Jay
I’m the same as you. While right now I’m living in Canada, I’m a dual citizen, but the last place I lived was Maryland, and I’d have to vote in Maryland, and it wouldn’t make any damn difference. I can’t get inspired either. If I was in a swing state, I would.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Yeah, I probably would, too, because I’d hold my nose and go vote and pray. At the same time–

Paul Jay
What do you say to people in Dearborn, Palestinians, people of Arab origin?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Well, the optimist in me says hold your nose and vote for the Democrats and hope for the best. If it doesn’t happen, then let’s clean house. I mean it. I mean, let’s clean house. Let’s clean the Congressional house out. Let’s clean the White House out next time. Let’s insist. Start right away insisting on a different election process. Kill this primary crap. Let’s go back in a big tent, but let’s all of us be in the big tent in some way, our representatives or whatever, in order to pick the candidates. We can’t go on having election after election with no choice. We’ve got to go back to Mr. Smith comes to Washington in some way or another. We’ve got to figure out a way to do that.

Now, the cynic in me, which is what is real me, the pessimist in me, which is what is real me, is this country’s finished. It doesn’t really matter who you vote for because the end is upon us.

Paul Jay
Now you’re sounding pretty apocalyptic.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Yeah, I’m looking at the lack of nuclear weapons treaties. I’m looking at what we’re doing with our MIRV warheads. I’m looking at what the Russians and Chinese are doing because we’re doing what we’re doing. We’re in a new nuclear arms race. Not a word has been said about that from the White House. We are headed toward Armageddon as sure as Armageddon is waiting out there for us, and we’re going to be the initiators of it. We invented them, and we used them first in 1945, and we will use them last in 2026, whenever it is, and it’ll be over. That’s the cynic in me. It’s so inexorable, this march towards the end of empire. We’re the only empire in human history; check it out: 5,000 years that we know about in human history, the only empire that ever invented the technological means to destroy the world.

Paul Jay
Well, many of my friends are depressed, concerned, and anxious, and I’ve decided I’m a clinical optimist, which is completely irrational. I’m a clinical optimist. I do believe if we have any chance of organizing and changing things in the U.S., to some extent, and I agree with Dan Ellsberg about this, you have to start with defeating the Trumpist forces, and then you have to really rally people against the forces the Democrats represent, the leaders of the Democratic Party. It means electing. It has to be primaries right now because that’s all there is. But you can win primaries if people get organized against this.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
In New York, I was on a panel, and Judge [Andrew] Napolitano was the moderator. He asked me a question, or maybe it was Scott Ritter, I can’t remember. One of them asked me the question. I went to the old panel, and fortunately for me, I got the last bite of the apple. The question was, you’re in the elevator with the Chairman of the Senate Arms Services Committee, a very powerful man– panel is on nuclear weapons– what are you going to say to him? 

Let me change the venue a little bit. I’m down in his hidey-hole in the Senate, where they tend to be a little more honest, and he’s pulled out a bottle of Maker’s Mark, and we both have a shot. I say, Jack, let me tell you something. You have two choices. You can go down in American history as being the asshole who did absolutely nothing about the fact we’re headed to nuclear Armageddon, or you can be a hero in the books of the Senate. Profiles in Courage will do an addendum to put you in there. If you demand, you’re a powerful man, Chairman of the Center of Arms Services Committee from Sam Nunn’s position here; he did all manner of things. You can demand the beginning of a multilateral treaty regime with all of the nuclear weapon states, every single one of them, including that bastard state at the Eastern end of the Mediterranean called Israel. Every country has to be in this regime, and every country has to sign up to this treaty when you lead the effort to negotiate it. You can be a hero. You have a choice, Jack. You want to be dead, or you want to be a hero, and then I’d leave. That’s what I would say.

Paul Jay
Once this vote’s over, whoever wins, we’ll organize a little group that when he’s anywhere near the elevator, we’re going to push him in, push you in, and let the doors close.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Somebody’s got to do it.

Paul Jay
All right, Larry, thanks very much for joining us.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson
Take care, Paul.

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Paul Jay
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